“You can’t force a ripening”
Transcriptions are written records of KK channeling Jonathan during Evenings with Jonathan Get-to-gathers, in which Jonathan responds to participants’ quest-ions on personal-universal themes.
Infused with thought-provoking, love-invoking wisdom, each transcript offers practical application for spiritual revelation.
In this transcription, Jonathan touches on themes including but not limited to:
definition of power
empty = spaciousness
willingness to be known, to share yourself
healing YOUR body
witnessing is healing/healing power of witnessing
learning to unlearn
you can’t force a ripening
November 2, 2022
Jonathan: Okay, dear ones. Good Eve indeed! And welcome to your presence. to our presence, to all of our presences and to all that we have already stirred up in the most benevolent of ways with respect to respecting the desire for communion, comfort, solace, and all of the above and all of the below. Because indeed, it is a time of tumult in your daily day- to-day for the moment. And as is the case with all highly transitional times, just when you seem to get a bit of solidity under tow, the rug can easily slip out from underneath and the forces at hand skew your sense of personal power. Power is quite a dicey term in today’s culture because oftentimes it denotes dominion over or hierarchical superiority that can exercise its own will over personal will. When we say personal power, dear ones, it's a bit redundant because indeed true potency is not something that can ever be taken away. It can certainly be unrecognized, undergo attempted mitigation and be threatening to those who don't sense their own. One aspect of transitional times is that concepts of power are collapsing in ways that will allow a renewed sense of personal power, that inner potency that becomes its own compass and navigational guiding system for your actions and speech. It's not something often thought of as inner. Power is used grammatically as something you get, acquire, earn, go after. Notice that these terms denote something external, beyond the contours of your own bodies- brilliant bodies at that! Yet none of them allow for power within. When you do, it emanates. That would be the current rearrangement we encourage in all of you. With that, we'll leave more time and space for the places you wish to go this eve and welcome any and all inquiries, musings or explorations you have, all of the above or something new.
C: Thank you, Jonathan. What you were talking about. I felt like you were in my head resonating. I feel like I'm just searching, but I don't know exactly what for. And I feel like there's a void, almost that I'm trying to fill. But I don't know what the void is.
Jonathan: A void is often confused with emptiness, when in fact a void is in actuality spaciousness. It simply hasn't been perceived as such. The culture teaches you that if you sense any kind of emptiness, better fill it right away. Fill your cup to the brim! Look at all the storage across the country. The emphasis is on acquiring and filling space. It's not a minimalist mentality. Quite understandable that void may be perceived as empty rather than spacious. What if you felt into the void? What is it void of?
C: Well, when you say spaciousness, then I'm like, Oh, well, that's different than what I was thinking a void is. A void feels like emptiness.
Jonathan: How about if you notice it as empty space-it's a bit redundant to say empty space, isn't it?! Feel into the empty space and see if it feels the same.
C: There's just this deep, when I feel into it, just this loneliness and kind of sadness. It feels like... I want connection, but more. And I just can't seem to... I have an idea of what I think it's about, but I don't know. Maybe I should let you talk first.
Jonathan: : When you say there is a sense of sadness and loneliness in the empty space, what you're aware of is because you have the space to feel it now.
C: Yes. I didn't really have any space before. It's overwhelming because now that I have space for it, it feels a little all-consuming. I'm like, wow, this is kind of a lot.
Jonathan: And if you remove the ‘kind of’ you'll notice it is a lot. And it being a lot doesn't mean it's your lot. It simply means right now it's amplified because it was almost nonexistent before. You're feeling what you've been sensing, but in the spaciousness you have. And while we understand the desire to wipe it out, fill it with something more pleasant and fulfilling, what you're actually feeling is the fullness of your feelings, which requires space. Feeling their fullness can become its own guidepost. Not that you must act immediately on what you sense, but with respect to respecting your feelings, your sensations and what they elicit in you; a desire for more connection. You haven't said that before, have you?
C: No. I've never had a void of it. I've never lacked it before in this kind of way.
Jonathan: We would say you had just enough connection to remain disconnected from the connections you wished for. So it's not that you've never had it. You're someplace new. You haven't had the desire for connection with people and community as you're feeling it now. It's quite scary to say we need each other, isn't it?
C: Yes, it is. Yeah. That's the truth.
Jonathan: Because guess what? You might not get what you need, so better not to hope for it and then you'll be okay as the thinking goes. That's quite survivalist and strategic and sometimes temporarily works, but not long term. You're beginning to feel into what you want to include in the coming days and decades ahead.
It's different from your previous stance. Before seeking connection, you're feeling the desire to have it, and what is feeding the desire is the not having it. The more you feel the not having, the more you will desire the having. It's space that can help you create what allows you to thrive. And what allows you to thrive is following where you've been guided.
C: Yes, I think you're touching upon me looking for a new kind of connection.The old ways of connecting with people are available but I'm in a different place.
Jonathan: They’re uninteresting now. Because they didn't require any revelation on your part. They were dependable. Much like fast food. You know what you're going to get! But later on, you know it's not going to be fulfilling and you'll still be hungry.
C: Yeah. That is true. It's confusing; part of me feels torn because some connection is better than none, and part is like," No, no, I'm looking for a different kind of connection now. I don't want to go back.” Then loneliness kicks in and I'm like, "Maybe I'm too picky." (laughing) so I guide myself back. It feels like such a slow process. It's hard. I feel the terror in me going back and forth. The wavering.
Jonathan: With one you know what you're going to get. The other is unknown. The connection that you're desiring has as a prerequisite the willingness to reveal yourself. Do you follow?
C: No. What?.. Say that again.
Jonathan: What did you hear?
C: Um, the connection and the willingness to reveal myself. But I didn't know if you meant... yeah, I didn't quite get that one. Heh-heh!
Jonathan: We'll say it a different way. You can't have the connection you're seeking at this time without activating your willingness to reveal and share yourself.
C: I understand. I think the terror or wavering I'm feeling is that I'm quite private. There's things I want to share on a public forum, but I don't know how much to and not to share. I’m torn.
I've experienced things I think could be helpful for people, I just don't know how comfortable I am -what’ll feel good but not be too much. So I haven't shared at all.
Jonathan: Dear one, comfort is not a prerequisite for sharing. It’s the willingness to share that is more of a guideline. When the benefits others can receive become more important than the discomfort you might incur, the sharing will begin anew.
C: Yeah. I'm feeling very uncomfortable in life at the moment.
Jonathan: Because you're getting more real. Not that you were fake before, but real as in you're more willing to be here and less willing to leave. You're more willing to engage and allow the power you have. Have you ever noticed children who seem unable to abide by behavioral constraints with their parents, yet when they go to another house and that person won't stand for the same things their parents will, they don't do the same things because they intuitively know they can't get away with it?
They feel that person's inner guidepost, where the boundaries are even if they haven't been explicitly stated. In your own transformations your inner guidepost has become more apparent. So your relationships and the way you relate is quite different than before because you're no longer willing to bend and vacate the premises in the same way. Vacate while staying. So that is uncomfortable because it's unfamiliar.
C: Yes, that's accurate. . .One of the things I want to talk with people about is my near-death experience but I find it really hard to put into words. It feels very...just talking about it I get really emotional (tearing up). I don't know how to talk about it or express it.
Jonathan: You just did, dear one, allowing the emotions that come with it without needing to segregate them because the beauty of talking, writing is that you get a lot more space to communicate what you truly desire to say. You can begin by saying, ‘I don't know how to talk about this, so prepare for a surprise. I don’t know what's coming out! But it feels important to share.’ You need not have all the answers or a script.
C: That feels important. I don't have to have all the answers or the script. I've been waiting for, "Well, I'll wait until I know this," I feel like I'd be waiting forever.
Jonathan: You're waiting for accreditation only you can give. No one else can write or talk about it. It's not their experience. There's only one expert on that subject.
Your out-of-body experience, dear one, cannot be measured or quantified. If we say, who else would you like to talk about it? It wouldn't feel right to give your story away.
C: No. Writing it feels easier than speaking it at the moment.
Jonathan: So you can begin there. And then you can read what you've written and see if it still feels accurate, and fulfilling as you speak it. Because sometimes the writer's voice is different from the speaking voice. Why do you want to share it?
C: Because I think it's helpful for some people to know how beautiful and special the other side is. And that something like that does exist and is real and is true.
Jonathan: Why is it important for people to know? What's in it for them in this lifetime?
C: Connecting to your intuition is your guiding light to help you through life. It has helped me tremendously, and sharing that experience helped bring it full circle. That something is available to call on and bring help to guide people through when they hit roadblocks and don't know what roads to take. Tuning into your intuition, which comes from that beautiful place, can help guide people so they're not lost. It gave me a sense of what my purpose is here and why I came back. That we’re all here for a certain purpose. I think that's helpful when people feel lost or disconnected.
Jonathan: So who doesn’t know how to talk about it, dear one?! We encourage you to listen to your words and how you articulated so clearly what it is you’d like to talk about.
C: (laughing) Yeah. I guess I got so hung up on the details of the interaction that I wasn't thinking about the reason why I wanted to share it in the first place. When you asked me I felt what it’s really about. Not the details but the experience.
Jonathan: So that's what you lead with, whether or not it’s audibly stated. "I'm here because I have something of value to share that might help you in your journey. Take it or leave it. But I encourage you to listen." We say that lovingly, dear one, because when you're speaking from your own conviction you become magnetic and people listen whether they want to or not. That's true for everyone.
C: Yeah. It feels very vulnerable for me.
Jonathan: It is. Because there's also a responsibility there. You can't pretend or unknow what you know.
C: Yes, I think I've been struggling with that a lot. It was such a special, intimate experience that it's hard to share, because I almost want to keep it for myself.
Jonathan: You can even say “You know, it took me a while to get to this place because it feels so intimate. So you must be quite special that I'm sharing it all with you!”
C: Yeah. Makes it easy in this audience because everyone's so loving and supportive.
Jonathan: Did you know who was listening when you were speaking, or were you simply speaking? Were you focused on who was here or on what it is that drives you?
C: Yeah, that's true. I wasn't thinking about who was here.
Jonathan: Indeed. That's the after logic. Hindsight engineering. It wasn't a part of it.
Any further inquiries around your next ongoing, outgoing steps, dear one?
C: Thank you. That was helpful. Yeah.I guess just - I just have to begin. It feels like...
Jonathan: You've begun. You can choose to continue. They'll be choice points all along the way because many people will be receptive but not everyone; those people will strengthen your conviction. Or not! You can choose to side with the minority. Well, two people think I'm crazy, so I must stop. I won't share with the many thousands, millions of others who could benefit because of two people.
C: Yeah, that is true. I have been letting that stop me.
Jonathan: We know! We sense your readiness.
C: Yeah, I miss it there. It's hard to be here knowing that that's there. It makes it tough.
Jonathan: So perhaps merge there in here. Perhaps it's not two different locations. Perhaps the realms are overlapping. We're here and we're there too.
C: How do you do that?
Jonathan: Well, if you look closely here is within there, isn't it? So the grammar can be misleading.
C: Yeah. Sometimes I feel my humanness gets in the way of that. There’s that internal intuition, and then sometimes that human side comes in and it's harder to connect to it.
Jonathan: So the more you speak about it the more you'll reconnect with it.
C: Yeah. That's why I come to see you so much, Jonathan, because it helps strengthen it. Thank you. That was very, very helpful.
Jonathan: Excellent, dear one! You're welcome! And you're quite well.
Catharine: M, do you want to ask your question?
M: C everything you said was, Oh yeah, that's where I am. Not the near-death stuff, but the open space, the lonely, all of that. I was like I don’t even have to ask. Hi, Jonathan.
Jonathan: Good Eve, dear M, and welcome! Welcome and welcome back! And it's possible to be lonely and know you're not alone. Which is easy to forget, by the way.
M: Yes, very easy. Thank you. I'm definitely feeling better than last time. In therapy today the 15 year old part of me really got to say what she needed to and was heard. That's definitely helped cool some of those raging fires.
Jonathan: May we say growing up, dear one?
M: (tearing up) You could.
Jonathan: And we mean that, dear one, lovingly. Allowing yourself to grow.
M: Yeah, I do a lot of inner dialogues with various parts of me and let's just say my inner 15 year old was the one who held the wounds and in a sense, was fully defined by them. Like who would she be without them or would she even exist without them?
Jonathan: Those are two potent questions! Were you able to respond? Not answer, but respond. Did you ask with a bit of curiosity and compassion?
M: Well, thank you. I participated in a ritual which brings in divine energies down your central channel and circulates it in all directions, and when the woman leading it said to bring it up my front to invite the opening of possibilities and then let it go down the back and see it gently closing doors, I could feel my inner 15 year old get really afraid and I just imagined taking her hand and repeating, ‘It's going to be okay.’ so I'm very much in active dialogue with her, like the mother figure working with her.
Jonathan: You're nourishing and nurturing her, dear one.
M: Because I think she's the one who just feels that deep loneliness (tearing up).
Jonathan: Yes and no. She's the one who feels like it's always going to be that way, that there's nothing more for her. It's a loneliness that is compounded by isolation. With dear C you wouldn't ever immediately travel down the path of assuming it's always going to be the case for her - as you do with yourself. So you’re learning to unlearn the self-chastisement that kept you in a predetermined place. One not too big for your britches, lest you be threatening with your greatness.
Catharine: We do have some time so I just wanted to check in with you.
Jonathan: Oh!! We can choose to bring in more or simply allow the spaciousness. Not every space needs filling. Because filled space has less room to feel. Feelings need space for their expression. Filled spaces are often void of feeling spaces.
Catharine: N mentioned earlier that she had something she wanted to talk about.
N: Yeah, I want to understand energetically how to heal the physical body of old trauma. But how do I heal the body from, or release the emotions from traumatic experience so the body is more comfortable? Go back to comfort.
Jonathan: So are you speaking about your body?
N: Definitely my body.
Jonathan: Notice that was the first time you said my. So the first thing that we suggest, dear one, is to begin calling it yours, which doesn't indicate ownership per se, but will invite more presence and coalescence. Because often what happens in trauma, particularly with sensitive and clever people, is dissociation, vacating the premises. And if you're gone, you can’t be here to heal. So healing the body is different than healing your body. We encourage you to ask the questions, ‘How do I heal the body?’ and ‘How do I heal my body?’ Notice your body as you say each one.
N: Right now? Okay. How do I heal the body? And how do I heal-
Jonathan: Wait one moment, dear one!
N: Oh, we need the space (giggling).
Jonathan: Indeed. Ask the question. And give yourself space to notice because all healing is about augmenting the quality of space within your body. Trauma creates restriction and constriction. Spaciousness requires space. Not that you must do this right, dear N, (N laughing) but for the fullness of the exploration simply ask the question and allow the space to notice whatever it is you do.
N: Okay. How do I heal the body? And while we were discussing that, Jonathan, what I felt was it felt very clinical. So more medical.
Jonathan: Technical.
N: Yeah, technical - versus how do I heal my body. Or what do I do to heal my body?
Jonathan: What do you notice when you use the term my to indicate whose body we’re speaking about?
N: It's a focus. It feels very focused on myself. And that is not in my nature.
Jonathan: That's not in your experience. It's not true that it's not in your nature.
N: Right. Well, my experience is always focused on someone else and helping them, not heal their body, but just whatever arises. So that's a different focus.
Jonathan: You have allowed the focus on you to be subsumed by focusing on others at your own expense. Not that you haven't assisted them, but there's been a cost, which has also reaped benefits. You haven't had to be here as fully as you're asking to be here now. So it begins with a conceptual transition. If you want to heal your body, it requires you to be here with it. And care for and not treat it clinically. We don't disdain the many clinics providing valuable services but when you stated clinical and we said technical, neither means humane. What kind of medical practitioner do you prefer to go to?
N: A more natural, holistic style.
Jonathan: More humane! Less clinical. Clinical feels neutral. Neutrality can be an excellent response to trauma because it keeps you from collapsing. You look as if looking objectively at something outside of yourself. You're not likely to feel much. But one of the most healing aspects of any healing is witnessing and being witnessed. So with respect to healing your body it will require your witnessing your body. Notice, are you allowed to care for your body without being in service to others? Simply for the pleasure of experiencing spaciousness and freedom within your body. You can't actually be without your body, but you can be out of body. Trauma can engender an out-of-body experience because it's not safe to remain. So how do you call yourself back? Not with a clinical call. It begins with something more nurturing. There's no such a thing as full safeness, but there’s 'You're strong enough to leave if you need to and willing enough to stay if you choose." Focusing and allowing communion with your body, is a primary step in healing. You get intuitive sensings on behalf of others; what would happen if you allowed that for yourself? It's not that it's not in your nature. It's that that waa a natural response to an unnatural situation, which is how trauma is defined sometimes. What's also natural is developing solidity and strength of character that comes from the willingness to accept your experiences. It provides a foundation of compassion for you.You're speaking of how to heal your body, but it requires a sense of self. A willingness to nurture that self, not either you do it for yourself or you do it for other people, but 'and.'
N: Tha's foreign.
Jonathan: Unfamiliar! Like any foreign language, you're capable of learning it, but it takes time. You have to repeat it again and again. Sometimes you'll converse and not be understood. Then one day you'll have a whole conversation and be amazed! Word by word. Invite yourself physically back by naming your body yours. It's not anyone else's. We’re speaking about re-union. Not that your body's ever left you.
N: Okay.. No, it's been consistently sticking with me despite myself (laughing).
Jonathan: Despite your not yet having fully allowed a strong sense of self. You can say my body rather than its. What do you notice when you say ‘My body's stuck by me?’
N: My body's stuck by me all of this time (smiling big). It feels pretty joyful.
Jonathan: Joy is healing! So begin there. Welcoming yourself back with your body reinforces your sense of it. Much love and partnering with your body, dear one.
A: Hi, Jonathan. This is A. (laughing) Good to see you.
Jonathan: Hi, dear A! Good to be seen! Good to be witnessed, isn't it?!
A: Yes. I thought the sign behind you said 'wisdom begins in the womb,’ then I read ‘wisdom begins in the wound.' Then I saw it said ‘wisdom begins with wonder.' (giggling) I wrote 'wisdom and healing begin with witnessing.' Thanks so much for witnessing.
Jonathan: You're welcome! Thank you for being a witness. It's challenging to know you exist without someone witnessing you and reflecting back to you. Quite a few of you have learned to unlearn that. Some of you learned early on that it was safer not to exist. So we thank you for coming back, which is actually forward! Isn't it interesting what's possible if you stay with it? When there's a willingness to stay the course the course changes. Timing is right when it's ripe. And you can't force a ripening. It happens over time. As we close, without forcing feelings on what you see, witness who's here and what they bring by dint of their presence. And their willingness to be seen. Thank you dear ones, for all of you. Much love, much love!